portion of transcript of democrat presidential debate at dartmouth showing issue of book content in public schools and libraries is serious and nationwide
portion of transcript of democrat presidential debate at dartmouth showing issue of book content in public schools and libraries is serious and nationwide
The issues surrounding gay
rights have been hotly debated here in New England. For
example, last year some parents of second graders in
Lexington, Massachusetts, were outraged to learn their
children's teacher had read a story about same-sex marriage,
about a prince who marries another prince.
Same-sex marriage is legal in
Massachusetts, but most of you oppose it. Would you be
comfortable having this story read to your children as part
of their school curriculum?
I'm going to start with
Senator Edwards.
MR. EDWARDS: Yes,
absolutely.
What I want is I want my
children to understand everything about the difficulties
that gay and lesbian couples are faced with every day, the
discrimination that they're faced with every single day of
their lives. And I suspect my two younger children --
Emma Claire, who's nine, and
Jack, who's seven -- will reach
the same conclusion that my daughter, Cate, who's 25, has
reached, which is she doesn't understand why her dad is not
in favor of same-sex marriage, and she says her generation
will be the generation that brings about the great change
in America on that issue.
So I don't want to make that
decision on behalf of my children. I want my children to be
able to make that decision on behalf of themselves, and I
want them to be exposed to all the information, even in --
did you say second grade? Second grade might be a little
tough, but even in second grade to be exposed to all
--
MS. [ALISON]
KING: Well, that's the point is second
grade.
MR. EDWARDS: -- to all of those
possibilities because I don't want to impose my view.
Nobody made me God. I don't get to decide on behalf of my
family or my children, as my wife, Elizabeth, who's spoken her own mind on this
issue. I don't get to impose on them what it is that I
believe is right.
But what I will do as president
of the United States is I will lead an effort to make sure
that the same benefits that are available to heterosexual
couples -- 1,100, roughly, benefits in the federal
government -- are available to same-sex couples; that we
get rid of DOMA, the Defense Of Marriage Act; that we get
rid of "don't ask, don't tell," which is wrong today, was
wrong when it was enacted back in the 1990s.
I will be the president that
leads a serious effort to deal with the discrimination that
exists today.
Senator
Obama, you have young children at home. How do you
feel about this?
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SENATOR OBAMA: You know, I feel
very similar to John: that -- you know, the fact is, my
9-year-old and my 6-year-old's -- I think, are already
aware that there are same-sex couples. And my wife and I
have talked about it.
And one of the things I want to
communicate to my children is not to be afraid of people
who are different, and because there have been times in our
history where I was considered different, or Bill
Richardson was considered different.
And one of the things I think
the next president has to do is to stop fanning people's
fears. You know, if we spend all our time feeding the
American people fear and conflict and division, then they
become fearful and conflicted and divided. And if we feed
them hope, and we feed them reason and tolerance, then they
will become tolerant and reasonable and hopeful. And that,
I think, is one of the most important things that the next
president can do, is try to bring us together and stop
trying to fan the flames of division that have become so --
so standard in our politics in Washington. That's the kind
of experience, by the way, that we need to put an end
to.
MS. KING: Quickly, have you sat
down with your daughters to talk about same-sex
marriage?
SENATOR OBAMA: My wife
has.
MS. KING: Okay.
I'd like to ask Senator Clinton the same question.
SENATOR CLINTON: Well, I -- I
really respect what both John and Barack said. I think that
we've seen differences used for divisive purposes, for
political purposes in the last several elections, and I
think every one of us on this stage are really personally
opposed to that and will do everything we can to prevent
it.
With respect to your individual
children, that is such a matter of parental discretion. I
think that obviously it is better to try to work with your
children, to help your children the many differences that
are in the world and to really respect other people and the
choices that other people make, and that goes far beyond
sexual orientation.
So I think that this issue of
gays and lesbians and their rights will remain an important
one in our country. And I hope that -- tomorrow we're going
to vote on the hate crimes bill, and I'm sure that those of
us in the Senate will be there to vote for it. We haven't
been able to get it passed, and it is an important measure
to send a message that we stand against hatred and
divisiveness. And I think that, you know, that's what the
Democratic Party stands for in contrast all too often to
the other side.
MS. KING: Thank you,
Senator.
Tim, back to you.
MR. RUSSERT: Thank you, Alison.